tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post3785597839938703038..comments2015-01-03T20:46:39.455+00:00Comments on Jaffa Software: maemo.org: what next?Andrew Flegghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02721892735482100544noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-31790240584878697082008-04-20T23:31:47.000+01:002008-04-20T23:31:47.000+01:00Excellent post, and it pretty much describes my fe...Excellent post, and it pretty much describes my feelings regarding Nokia and their (lack of) involvement with the Community.<br><br>I agree that Nokia may perceive open source as a disadvantage by opening them up to increased competition, and also probably explains the current situation with too much code "closed" for no apparent reason, but my opinion is that unless Nokia embrace open source AND the community, they will be destined to become bit part players in the future - the competition will succeed precisely because they will have embraced and understood the open source approach in order to sell their hardware. For me, it's not that Nokia should embrace open source, rather they must embrace open source in order to be successful at selling their hardware. Overall software quality on Tablets is poor although it has improved slowly over the last 2.5 years, and it doesn't take a genius to understand that more not less community involvement would have helped improve software quality significantly more quickly.<br><br>Until Nokia fully embrace open source and take the default position that all code will be open, the Maemo project has no real future for me personally. This current half-way house approach with a mixture of closed and open source code is ridiculous and a complete "turn off" - Nokia need to make the decision to be open or closed, but not both, as "both" simply doesn't work for community involvement.<br><br>As such, if Maemo has no future it follows that neither does the hardware product line. :( No doubt Nokia will turn a profit on their hardware and continue for a few more years but they'll make nowhere near as much profit that they could have made considering the unrealised potential there is in these devices. Just as well they have phone sales to fall back on and can write Maemo off as an interesting but failed excercise.<br><br>I may be wrong, and I sincerely hope that I am, but that's my view. I hope your post goes some way to improving the current situation and is read by the "right" people at Nokia.Milhousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-56193863359482040892008-04-21T01:15:52.000+01:002008-04-21T01:15:52.000+01:00Nice written post.I think that Nokia has to open M...Nice written post.<br><br>I think that Nokia has to open Maemo more or it will die sooner or later. Why? look at market -- there are more and more ultra mobile notebooks like EEEPC which are in similar price as N810 but offer more power.Hrrwhttp://blog.haerwu.biz/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-27922163825383098882008-04-21T02:25:17.000+01:002008-04-21T02:25:17.000+01:00Well put. You've gathered together the essent...Well put. You've gathered together the essentials and tied them together nicely. Considering the thanks Quim gave your post on itT, I think it was generally well-received. ; )Texrathttp://www.jablet.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-92188763480459896092008-04-21T06:55:01.000+01:002008-04-21T06:55:01.000+01:00@Milhouse:This current half-way house approach wit...@Milhouse:<br><br>This current half-way house approach with a mixture of closed and open source code is ridiculous and a complete "turn off" - Nokia need to make the decision to be open or closed, but not both, as "both" simply doesn't work for community involvement.<br><br>Then please tell me why Windows is the most popular platform out there and why the majority of applications out there are written for closed source platforms? Lack of community, hardly when it comes to both Microsoft and Adobe who have more developers working on their platform than I can count.<br><br>@Hrrw:<br><br>There are more and more ultra mobile notebooks like EEEPC which are in similar price as N810 but offer more power.<br><br>Intel if anything will dictate where the future of devices that fit into this form factor will head. Porting to ARM may make sense now, but in 2 years ... will it?http://intomobile.comhttp://intomobile.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-81744698033547148682008-04-21T09:07:45.000+01:002008-04-21T09:07:45.000+01:00Very well.You've touched a strong point.Nokia&...Very well.<br><br>You've touched a strong point.<br>Nokia's struggling on this topic today.<br>I am pretty sure the Maemo team is pushing Nokia hard, from inside, to be as much open as possible. To be in the center of the triangle (I love it, btw).<br><br>We, as community, should help them pushing even more, we are the tool Maemo needs in order to push harder.<br>And this post is a very helpful tool for helping them.<br>In good hands (Quim's ones in this case) it can be an effective weapon.<br>I am sure he will use it and he will do a very good job.<br><br>Let's continue this way.<br>ThanksAniello Del Sorbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-81650456868316885112008-04-21T15:15:35.000+01:002008-04-21T15:15:35.000+01:00by the nokia? for the nokia? of the nokia?
by the nokia? for the nokia? of the nokia?<br />neonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-82139254217352322362008-04-21T15:19:32.000+01:002008-04-21T15:19:32.000+01:00@http://intomobile.com Then please tell me why Win...@http://intomobile.com <br><br><i>Then please tell me why Windows is the most popular platform out there...</i><br><br>Windows has always been closed source from the get go - that's been accepted by everyone going in - but Windows has also been very well supported at the developer level: Microsoft understood from day #1 that they had to win the hearts and minds of the developers in order to succeed. Maemo on the other hand has had these lofty ideals of being an open source project, but has ballsed it up by contaminating the code base with closed code along with a lack of documentation, lack of support and worst of all lack of communication - essentially Maemo/Nokia have not made *enough* effort to engage the community ie. the developers. In fact, Maemo/Nokia seem to have made efforts to actively p1ss off the developers - the Maemo Bugzilla is a waste of time and the effort the community puts into reporting bugs is often wasted effort. I've lost count of how many times I've seen requests for information regarding the broken WiFi and of people offering to help fix problems only to be informed they're sh1t out of luck as the only person able to help them is too busy or the code is closed, and so interesting WiFi apps (eg. Kismet) remain largely unusable and their developers move on to better supported devices.<br><br>If Maemo were a closed project with EXCELLENT and responsive developer support then it might work, but instead it's this half-way house cock up: closed and open source code side-by-side, inability to build the entire OS or fix long standing bugs due to closed code, poor and often completely missing documentation, topped off with sporadic and ineffective communication.Milhousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7336457610255402878.post-28299333282066693482008-04-23T11:12:59.000+01:002008-04-23T11:12:59.000+01:00What about focusing on open standards for data use...What about focusing on open standards for data used in these environments? For audio and video, Ogg Vorbis could be showcased. That would also help recover from the HTML5 public relations gaff last year by the MSFTer that managed to get into the company. For productivity applications, OpenDocument Format and PDF/A can be used. <br><br>A platform is only as open as its data.Defenestratornoreply@blogger.com